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Zina Gomez-Liss's avatar

Josh, I would say that work is one aspect to a person’s life. For some it is a source of identity, a way to measure one’s material success, a place where people find their main friend base, etc. It has even been a place where people find spouses. In short, jobs do so much that it is often given an outsized portion of the pie in terms of a person’s self-esteem.

One’s relationship with work should be very fluid though. We can’t expect too much of it, as we can’t expect too much of our partners. Marriages are rarely 50/50. They often tip back and forth from 20/80 to 90/10 to 60/40 — and hopefully it will average out. But that’s just in terms of effort and resources. Some of us work hard hoping that the tough days will yield much easier days in the end. Sometimes you have to know whether the job or the system or the partner is just abusing you.

My examples for jobs with heavy investments are doctors and military personnel. Residency and boot camp are baptisms by fire, but there are rewards. But I have also seen suicides in these professions.

I am acutely aware of employee happiness because I used to work for a number of years in Human Resources, and I was the person who did new employee tours and introduced everyone by name. I loved people and wanted everyone to be happy.

The thing about work is that you can always find a new job. Or the same job at a company that is a better fit. Or has better management. Marriage and family relationships are presumed to be forever. Those ties are binding in ways that jobs are not (unless one makes it so by choice). However, there are divorces and family estrangements. Siblings that don’t talk for decades, even until death.

Unfortunately I am running out of time, and I’d like to get back to this. Ping me later if you want to hear more. I think we need to find a way to make all aspects of our life realistically positive. (I am wary of positivity for its own sake, which people are quick to label toxic. I think that may be the wrong word.) We need to pay better attention to each other and care about the good of others. I think the pendulum swing toward “self” is a reaction to abusive systems. But we have tipped almost to cultural narcissism.

I may very well be off base but it’s been a musing I have had for a while. Perhaps it’s from watching my young adult / teen children and their peers trying to navigate this world. The lack of volunteering. The wariness of taking jobs. It’s really different from when I was growing up. They’re interested in protecting their boundaries and exposure to negative stimuli but at the expense of not interacting with the world which is sure to hurt them at least a little but that’s also how we grow.

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David Roberts's avatar

Work can meet the ratio test with this caveat: you have to credit work with the avoided negativity of the counterfactual of not having work, both the negative material implications of that lack as well as the absence of feeling productive.

So if you count the material and spiritual rewards of work even if the day to day does not meet the ratio, then I say yes.

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