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Tim S.'s avatar

Those numbers in the story are chilling and it seems higher ed as rigged a strange system for a select few. While I know teaching K-12 doesn't have the prestige of higher ed, there are some benefits. The average salary for a teacher in the Spokane (Wash.) school district is $100,000. At least look they didn't have publish or perish hanging over them either. I find it amusing the Chronicle of Higher Ed often writes stories about a dearth of upcoming professors, not enough to fill the field. Well, maybe change the system, you know, like pay people and give them job security.

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Jennifer Askey's avatar

I find it incredibly frustrating to look at what most faculty earn. If we look at salary in terms of $ in exchange for time, most professors are grossly underearning. If we look at salary in terms of $ in exchange for value, then we open the door to the conversation about what students "get" out of an undergraduate degree and we'll find faculty underearning yet again.

If all profs were providing is access to new information and ways of seeing and thinking, I would argue that is invaluable. But profs are providing -- shoulders to cry on, sites of first disclosure, extensive feedback on work, being available in person and online 24/7, etc. So the job of professor keeps changing, both in terms of what profs offer students and what universities offer (or don't offer) professors in terms of supports.

I have zero patience for the argument, waged against teachers and professors, that they are--or should be--in it solely for the impact on young, impressionable minds, rather than for a comfortable lifestyle. As a former Germanist, I feel Brecht is warranted here: "zuerst kommt das Fressen, dann kommt die Moral." (First food, then morals.)

I keep half an eye on employment and hiring trends and the public discourse around these (vis-a-vis millenials, Gen Z, etc.) and as a result am of two minds about what being "job ready" means for someone who is graduating with a BA (as my eldest will in December of this year. History and Art History, so a nice test case for the pure humanities graduate in the world of work).

Those of us in the profession know that someone who has undertaken any sort of rigorous course of study that demands of young people that they ingest new information, digest it meaningfully, and then produce something with it also prepares those same people to take on all manner of entry-level professional jobs. But whether this is a result of micro-credentialing or some other facet of the growth in educational and para-educational institutions or not, the majority of employers do not hire "raw talent." If you want to work in a business/management capacity, most companies' job ads will suggest that your course of study, work experience, and additional certifications all align with their work.

This is lazy and, ultimately, not very successful for most companies (I think), while at the same time driving enrollments into UG programs in business, commerce, etc.

I think that colleges and universities have pretty much turned over the terms of this discussion (who trains early-career professionals) to employers, without mounting much of a counter-argument that gets any traction.

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